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want to be free
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Posted - 05/08/2006 :  10:54:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
I was wondering if anyone saw the episode of w5 about the operation for depression. It was performed in a Toronto hospital, they put some sort of transmiters in your brain and a pacemaker like device in your chest this device holds the batteries. Does anyone have anymore information about this surgery than I? I know for sure that if it becomes availiable I will definetly have it done. The scary part is you have to stay awake for it.
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broken_spirit
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Posted - 05/08/2006 :  19:05:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Hi Free,
Yes I saw that episode. It was something else wasnt it, it surely seemed to make quite the difference for those ppl didn't it. Sometimes I think that Id do anything to beat this horrible disease of depression, but having someone fiddle around on my brain scares the hell out of me, but at the same time to have a chance to live depression free is something I could live with :) .. I dont remember much more than you about the procedure, just that its an amazing step I think... How long have you had depression?... Do you think youd really have the surgury if it was available?.. Where in Canada are you??... *hugs*

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want to be free
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Posted - 05/08/2006 :  19:27:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Hi Broken
Scares me too them playing in your brain but life is no good feeling like this everyday. So I would do it for sure. I have been depressed since my teens, I'm 43 now. I live in Newfoundland, Where are you?back at ya.




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broken_spirit
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Posted - 05/09/2006 :  08:35:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
G-Morning Free,
I know its not good living like this - its not much of a life!.. Ive had depression since I was 16 but it really consumed me the last couple of yours (im 34 now). Im so tired of all the different meds they try with no change and the hospital stays. My marriage is suffering too because of it, so have put any effort I can into being a good mother but most days I cant even do that.It makes me feel like such a failure!....
Anyway, I was thinking more about that surgery last nite after I answered your post and I have to say I prob would have it - I mean If there was a chance I could live a normal happy life - id be crazy not too right???
So your in NL.. cool!... I know alot of ppl from there and have been there many times, I love it over there. What part are u in?... Im in Cape Breton, about an hour from the ferry.
I have found it such a comfort to be able to talk to people on here who know what your going through and can relate to you without thinking your a basket case - although sometimes I prob am..lol..I look forward to chatting some more... Hope your having a good day!!...*huggsss*

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want to be free
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Posted - 05/09/2006 :  09:42:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Broken
I know what you mean about the different meds and being in the hospital, been there too. I feel like a failure most of the time too, I have a 10 year old son. I live in the Corner Brook area. Know what you mean about feeling like a basket case sometimes I can't think right, like my son was invited to a birthday party, he was suppose to be in Corner Brook a 5 pm on Mon. so I called the mom to see if she could pick my son up, because we only have one car and my husband has it at work. Turns out the party isn't till Sat. so your mind doesn't work right sometimes feels like it's all jumbled up or something.So your not a basket case you are sick like the rest of us. I sent an e-mail to W5 about that surgery if I hear back from them I will let you know. By the way you are problaby a mom hard to believe when you feel like this I know, but I know my boy loves me and what it would do to him if I wasn't here even if I'm only half living . I just keep hoping that some cure will come lets keep our fingers crossed. How is your day going?
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lolo
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Posted - 05/09/2006 :  12:14:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Hi, i was just reading your posting about that show on W5. I did not watch, although i had made a plan of doing so, but i did find on the ctv website a good highlight of the show in question... here it is (if not, you can go directly to http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060428/WFIVE_ripleys_060428/20060429?hub=WFive)
or to www.ctv.ca, and go down the page for W5 show, and it is under lighting the darkness...

Lighting the Darkness
Avis Favaro, CTV News

Researchers are cautiously optimistic about a revolutionary made-in-Canada treatment for severe and chronic depression -- what could be called a brain pacemaker to override depression.

A team at Toronto Western Hospital, which pioneered the technique, has implanted the pacemakers in 16 severely depressed Canadian patients (7 women and 9 men between ages 28 and 71).

Eight of the first 12 have had a "positive response" -- meaning their depression has lifted to the point where some returned to work and at least one started a new business. But it's too early to tell with the other four patients, who've received the implants in the last six months.

It's a technique developed by neurologist Helan Mayberg.

"The fact that the first number of patients have done this well is extremely exciting and encouraging and makes us very optimistic to pursue this," she said.

The technique is called Deep Brain Stimulation. Doctors deliver electricity via a pacemaker to an area of the brain called Cingulate 25 -- a small region about one centimetre wide.

It was identified by Dr. Mayberg as a region that processes emotions, particularly sadness. It's turned on high in normal people who are asked to think about something depressing. In those with chronic depression, it's on high all the time.

"I think it's like a thermostat," said Dr. Andres Lozano, the neurosurgeon who helped pioneer the technique with Dr. Mayberg. "When you are depressed it is set at 100 degrees, which is too high and inappropriate."

Groundbreaking procedure

In the world's first study of its kind, the medical team allowed CTV's W-FIVE to film patient number 16 -- 40-year-old Chantal Remeny of Toronto -- as she went through the groundbreaking procedure in March.

Remeny has been profoundly depressed for over 12 years. A physiotherapist at a Toronto-area hospital, she struggled to drag herself to work. But once home, her depression kept her in bed, with dark, hopeless thoughts racing through her head. Her family had to grocery shop for her, walk her dogs, and clean her home. She was also suicidal.

Dr. Sidney Kennedy is a psychiatrist and part of the research team. He assessed Remeny for the study.

"When I saw Chantal the first time I was really struck by the profound frozenness of her mood state. Nothing that she was doing gave her any pleasure or enjoyment. She had sort of become a hermit. She was really not functional in terms of any quality of life," said Kennedy.

Depression runs in Remeny's family. Four of her relatives committed suicide. Despite her deep depression, Remeny was always hopeful something would work to lift her spirits. She has been prescribed virtually every medication, has undergone therapy, even 65 electroconvulsive treatments. Some worked for a while. Nothing has lasted.

That's why she was recruited for the study at Toronto Western Hospital -- a test of the pacemaker in patients for whom all other treatments have failed.

A few volts of electricity

Surgery begins with doctors opening the scalp and then drilling two holes into the skull. They then locate area C-25 and then insert two electrodes into the region.

Then Dr. Mayberg questions the patient as the electrical stimulation is turned on in area C-25.

Some of the settings have no effect. One does. For Remeny, who has failed every known treatment for depression, from drugs to electroshock therapy, it is a sudden, striking transformation.

"It feels like the concrete was taken out of my head," Remeny said of the experience.

"It's amazing that, with just a few volts of electricity, one can produce such striking change in someone's mood and behaviour," Dr. Lozano said.

Dr. Mayberg is pleased with Chantal's response.

"To see profoundly ill people change before your eyes -- from the darkness and dullness to 'I feel like washing my clothes,' is the most amazing feeling a doctor can have," she said.

The procedure is being watched by surgeons from Australia, Brazil, and Spain.

International interest in the technique is growing because, unlike drugs, which bathe the brain in chemicals, it is a very targeted approach.

Explained Dr. Lozano: "The difference between this approach and the drug approach is, when you give a drug to a patient, that drug has access to 100 billion neurons in the brain and has collateral effects on other neurons in the brain, other circuits.

"Whereas now we are really pinpointing one small area of the brain, which is roughly one centimeter by one centimeter. So just a few hundred thousand neurons and these neurons are really causing trouble throughout the brain -- so one can specifically target these neurons and make them behave in a more normal fashion."

The transformation

The electrical current is on 24/7, as a battery pack implanted in the chest. It delivers a constant tiny electrical signal up wires threaded under the skin of the neck and scalp, to the electrodes in the brain.

One month after the operation and there is already a visible difference in Remeny. She smiles easily, has vast amounts of energy and most importantly the depression appears to be gone.

"I feel wonderful, and it's amazing. It's almost as if someone turned Chantal back on," she said.

Remeny has since been cleaning her home, making plans, feeling optimistic about her future. She was back to work, part time, within three weeks. And she remembers quite vividly the moment the depression disappeared in the operating room.

"For some of the electrodes, nothing was different. But when we got to some other electrodes that did work, I had some amazing changes, a total feeling of lightness to my head, like the concrete was taken out of my head."

Dr. Kennedy said not all patients show such an immediate response to the treatment, but in Remeny's case: "The profound slowing in tense sadness, really a sense of hopelessness, lack of energy, lack of interest -- all of those things, they are virtually all gone. It's amazing."

More importantly, the experiment has the potential to change the way doctors define depression. Many people still see it as a character flaw, a lack of drive. This study is showing its source may well be a brain defect that can be repaired with wires and some electricity.


"I think there is a fascination with the idea with something that is thought to be quote a psychological problem of depression," continued Kennedy.

"Here's an opportunity to identify within the brain where the depression problems lie, and show with simple manipulation you can actually produce a result."

But the procedure isn't for everyone. There is a small risk of infection from the brain surgery. There's also a 25 per cent chance the pacemaker won't work. In those cases, the pacemaker can be removed.

hope this help.
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Posted - 05/09/2006 :  14:15:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Hi,
You said it, sometimes the simpliest things can seem so hard.. Sometimes just to make a decision gives me a headache. I have 3 kids - 2 boys 14,15, and a daughter 7. I know they love me and I try my best, but I worry that my illness is going to affect them in a negative way. I have been upfront with them as much as needed about my illness as I want them informed and not be ashamed or unaware that this is an illness just like diabetes or heart disease, it has to be acknowledged and treated..But its still hard - takes everything in me to just do the simple mothering things... :(
I lived in Corner Brook for a yr and a half when I was 18, I loved it there!... Have u always lived there?.. Is your husband supportive?...
TY Lolo for that info, it amazes me what they can do.. and who knows maybe we'll get the chance at having a something like that. Ive been sick so long its hard to imagine really enjoying life and living again - but what a thought huh?? :) I hope you are finding some help and encouragement here Lolo, its so helpful to talk to others who know how your feeling and being able to express your feelings without people thinking your crazy..
As to how my day has been??... well its 6 pm and the kids have only been home from school for 3 hrs and already I have a migrane and am "a basket case".. I just want to crawl in bed and cover up.. Know that feeling?...
Well hope your doing ok Free, Lolo..... Talk soon.... *hugsss
If anyone wants to email me to chat - let me know..

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Posted - 10/09/2006 :  16:56:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
welcome want to be free i didnt know that there was an operation that thery could do to maybe get rid of deppression,thanks for sharing with us. and welcome to this site the same for you lo lo i hope you will join me in bi-polar chat its acting up so we might get everyone to use the schizophrenia chat instead. if you come you may have to wait awhile for someone to chat with but im on there alot and have been adverting the chats in my posts .today is october9th,2006 its 7:51pm everyone is invited to please bring freinds few people used the chats when i arrived here a month ago now a hundred do . post and post every where like general,and social.and reply to posts and you will make freinds. this is a great site i hope you all will enjoy this community. hi broken spirit! okay gotta go to the chat please come with your freinds pretty please with lottery tickets on top
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